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DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS messaging is involved
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Tamborino
2024-04-01 00:55:13 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/

So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.

This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its lawsuit:
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Your Name
2024-04-01 05:56:22 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\

A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)

B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
their developers, not Apple):

"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Charlie
2024-04-01 06:38:07 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
I think the DOJ's 88-page point of view is that Apple knows very well how
trivially easy it would be for Apple to give iOS & Android users privacy
when its own users are communicating between iOS & Android users via RCS.

The DOJ's point of view seems to be Apple expressly wants NOBODY to have
privacy (not even Apple users!) when they communicate between platforms.

Apple doesn't care that even its own users won't have that privacy.
All Apple cares about is screwing its own customers to make more money.
Frank Slootweg
2024-04-01 12:40:28 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
Exactly which part of "will" in "will not" didn't you understand?
Post by Your Name
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Exactly which part of "unlike in "unlike iMessaging" didn't you
understand?
badgolferman
2024-04-01 14:57:08 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to. If this is true then it looks like Apple is
being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."


"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."

"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
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sms
2024-04-01 17:59:56 UTC
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On 4/1/2024 7:57 AM, badgolferman wrote:

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Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
If they allowed encryption between iPhone users and Android users it
would eliminate a key advantage of an organization being 100% iPhone. My
wife's company is 100% iPhone, for multiple reasons (they could actually
use Android since they use Cortext for secure messaging since it's HIPAA
compliant, while iMessage is not HIPAA compliant) mainly for the remote
management (MDM) capability, and the inability for employees to install
any apps. So she carries two phones, her personal Android and her
corporate iPhone.
Frankie
2024-04-01 19:45:14 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
If they allowed encryption between iPhone users and Android users it
would eliminate a key advantage of an organization being 100% iPhone.
Apple execs are on record from the Epic deposition for never wanting the
iPhone messaging to interface well with Android, which is part of the DOJ
case since it's a matter of public record that Apple can't possibly deny.
Post by sms
My wife's company is 100% iPhone, for multiple reasons
I feel sorry for anyone stuck with having to create an account for Apple
just to use a phone that shouldn't need to create that tracking account.
Post by sms
(they could actually
use Android since they use Cortext for secure messaging since it's HIPAA
compliant, while iMessage is not HIPAA compliant) mainly for the remote
management (MDM) capability,
Does this HIPAA compliant "Cortext" app functionality run on iOS?
Post by sms
and the inability for employees to install any apps.
Most people who only know iPhones have no idea how limited they are, which
is kind of like kids up until about fifth grade still believe in the Easter
Bunny but after about fifth grade, even kids begin to see the limitations.
Post by sms
So she carries two phones, her personal Android and her
corporate iPhone.
My wife is also forced to use an iPhone but she can't stand it and cheats
as much as she can by using the Android phone whenever she needs to get
something done.
Your Name
2024-04-01 22:08:28 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...

"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."

Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely
on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's
attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in
today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for
Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google
simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid
Android OS.
<https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/>
Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
As above.
Wolf Greenblatt
2024-04-01 23:01:16 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Apple has no plans to fully support RCS end-to-end encryption.
That's what the DOJ suit is partially about.
Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...
Only the nut cases think Apple actually cares about them or their privacy.
Post by Your Name
"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."
Apple does not want anyone, not even their own customers, to have the
privacy of RCS end-to-end encryption between Apple and Android users.

As such, Apple has always been glaringly anti-consumer for the sake of
profit - always to the detriment of even their own customers' privacy.
Post by Your Name
Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely
on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's
attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in
today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for
Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google
simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid
Android OS.
<https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/>
Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
As above.
It's clear to the DOJ and to anyone who read the Epic deposition where
Apple had to openly admit the last thing Apple wants is anyone having any
privacy when messaging between the two platforms, iOS and Android.

Apple is so anti privacy that they don't even want their own customers to
have that end-to-end encryption privacy - which is proved in the DOJ case.
Alan
2024-04-01 23:39:58 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Apple has no plans to fully support RCS end-to-end encryption.
That's what the DOJ suit is partially about.
Well that's just false.
Post by Wolf Greenblatt
Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...
Only the nut cases think Apple actually cares about them or their privacy.
Post by Your Name
"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."
Apple does not want anyone, not even their own customers, to have the
privacy of RCS end-to-end encryption between Apple and Android users.
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Wolf Greenblatt
2024-04-02 04:05:22 UTC
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Post by Alan
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Read the reference a few thousand time and maybe you'll yet understand.
Alan
2024-04-02 16:02:18 UTC
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Post by Alan
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Read the reference a few thousand time and maybe you'll yet understand.
Why don't you just explain why you think I don't?
Alan
2024-04-02 16:01:26 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to. If this is true then it looks like Apple is
being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
So you can predict the future, can you?
Post by badgolferman
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
Hank Rogers
2024-04-03 22:54:04 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.

Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their customers.

Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault. He
hates apple.
Your Name
2024-04-04 00:26:29 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple
could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to Android users
while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which would instantly
improve the privacy and security of iPhone and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.
Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their
customers.
Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault.
He hates apple.
The glacial pace that government departments work at, it's far more
likely Trump the Chump's fault and yet another reason for every sane
American to bin the lunatic at their next election. :-p
Hank Rogers
2024-04-04 00:58:06 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple
could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to Android users
while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which would instantly
improve the privacy and security of iPhone and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.
Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their customers.
Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault.
He hates apple.
The glacial pace that government departments work at, it's far more likely
Trump the Chump's fault and yet another reason for every sane American to
bin the lunatic at their next election.   :-p
Poor apple is just being picked on by the law. So is trump. They are much
alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever. Neither has ever committed
a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.

Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.

Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Java Jive
2024-04-04 01:45:02 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
So is trump. They are
much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever. Neither has ever
committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most
civilised people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
someone. Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
cases, in most of which his guilt seems to be beyond doubt, in that the
known facts or even his own statements prove his guilt, and potentially
he only has to be found guilty on *one* of those 91 charges to end up in
jail. Indeed, if he carries on threatening judges' families the way
that he now done *twice* already, most likely he will be adjudged to
have breached the terms of his bail, and go to jail to await trial
anyway. The only thing actually in doubt is whether the lumbering US
legal system can complete a case and thereby convict him before the
election, but the first trial starts this month, so probably they will,
despite his barrage of absurd claims of Presidential immunity, which, as
an appeal judge pointed out, would, if taken literally as claimed,
enable him to send the Seals to wipe out political opponents.
Post by Hank Rogers
Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.
I'm not going to comment on Apple, but the whole point of the Trump
fines is that it's shit he *DID* do, as determined by independent juries
in two courts of law.
Post by Hank Rogers
Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
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Sn!pe
2024-04-04 01:51:34 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
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Alan
2024-04-04 16:10:00 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
Why?
The Real Bev
2024-04-04 16:44:39 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
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to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -- Rich Jeni
Alan
2024-04-04 19:16:11 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.

What did Biden do that actually hurt you?

Was it the falling unemployment?

The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
The Real Bev
2024-04-04 22:59:40 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
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2024-04-04 23:10:57 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
**every one else** wants him safely in jail where he can't cause
any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard
both candidates to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
There Is No Every One Else, ~obviously.~ Furrfu, TYOT.
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This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
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Alan
2024-04-05 05:02:25 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business.  Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing.  In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
I notice how you shifted the comparison to North Korea suddenly.

And Trump was doing Putin's BIDDING, sunshine.

Putin meets with Trump.

Trump requests information on CIA assets around the world.

CIA assets start dying.

Do the math.
Chris
2024-04-07 08:09:22 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
International diplomacy is not a playground pissing contest.

Trump is inept and a laughing stock around the world. He brought america
down to his gutter standard.

His only interest is himself. The first time he ran was to make money - and
he did hundreds of millions (including from your taxes) - and this time
it's to keep himself out of jail. He doesn't care about you or anyone else
in the US.
Anonymous
2024-04-10 03:14:35 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Alan
2024-04-10 14:47:48 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.

Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Anonymous
2024-04-11 03:28:25 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
Alan
2024-04-11 03:47:11 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?

Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
Anonymous
2024-04-12 02:55:34 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Alan
2024-04-12 03:17:35 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.

But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
are fake.

All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

...which it is doing:

<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>

<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
Anonymous
2024-04-13 06:27:26 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.
But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
Which will take years, if at all.
Post by Alan
<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
Which is not enough:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/
Alan
2024-04-13 15:53:01 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.
But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
Which will take years, if at all.
Which is already happening.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/
And you believe what Russia says?
Alan
2024-04-12 03:36:50 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
And I forgot to ask:

Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Jolly Roger
2024-04-12 15:36:51 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
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2024-04-13 06:05:18 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
Alan
2024-04-13 15:53:31 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
Anonymous
2024-04-14 05:03:09 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
Alan
2024-04-14 06:34:09 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?

For all you know, they have no more.

And where do you get your figures on how many "similar missiles" (does
that mean cruise missiles or just missiles?) Russia has used, doofus?
Russia again?
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2024-04-15 02:49:50 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Alan
2024-04-15 04:22:11 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the
Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when
he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
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2024-04-16 05:10:48 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/
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2024-04-16 18:37:31 UTC
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Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/
You still haven't provided a single source that supports your contention
that Russia's manufacturing ability for weapons is any better than the US's.
Your Name
2024-04-04 02:19:34 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
Ever. Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
cases, wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most
civilised people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
someone. Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
cases, in most of which his guilt seems to be beyond doubt, in that the
known facts or even his own statements prove his guilt, and potentially
he only has to be found guilty on *one* of those 91 charges to end up
in jail. Indeed, if he carries on threatening judges' families the way
that he now done *twice* already, most likely he will be adjudged to
have breached the terms of his bail, and go to jail to await trial
anyway. The only thing actually in doubt is whether the lumbering US
legal system can complete a case and thereby convict him before the
election, but the first trial starts this month, so probably they will,
despite his barrage of absurd claims of Presidential immunity, which,
as an appeal judge pointed out, would, if taken literally as claimed,
enable him to send the Seals to wipe out political opponents.
Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.
I'm not going to comment on Apple, but the whole point of the Trump
fines is that it's shit he *DID* do, as determined by independent
juries in two courts of law.
Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every
one else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
Another difference is that most of New York doesn't want Trump the
Chump in their city. :-)
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2024-04-04 04:49:08 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.

All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Alan
2024-04-04 16:11:02 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
Ever.
Post by Java Jive
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business
partner.
Post by Java Jive
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
Post by Java Jive
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
A jury of his peers ruled.
Post by Hank Rogers
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Nope. Motivated by his actions.
Post by Hank Rogers
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Listen to yourself.
Chris
2024-04-07 10:44:02 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.

Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.

How people for that, I don't know.
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.

Oh and the election wasn't stolen. Trump is simply a 6 year old sore loser.
Alan
2024-04-07 13:40:54 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Oh and the election wasn't stolen. Trump is simply a 6 year old sore loser.
6?

You give him far too much credit.
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2024-04-07 16:20:53 UTC
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Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that Trump was the one trying to steal the election. I'm surprised
that that has attracted so little attention.

David
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2024-04-07 16:59:41 UTC
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Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that Trump was the one trying to steal the election. I'm surprised
that that has attracted so little attention.
Every accusation is a confession with this dimwits.
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2024-04-10 03:13:28 UTC
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Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night, threw out the
observers, and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Alan
2024-04-10 03:17:47 UTC
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Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night, threw out the
observers, and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
And yet no evidence of that happening was EVER presented.
Chris
2024-04-10 08:48:43 UTC
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Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count. They were no longer
observers.
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.

In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
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2024-04-11 03:28:42 UTC
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Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?

Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
DONE. No exceptions.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
No they weren't.
Post by Chris
They were no longer observers.
They were observers.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.
They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
election was clean.
Post by Chris
In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
"Cases of voter fraud" as reported by the fake media, which simply
does not report cases of fraud in favor of Democrat candidates.
Chris
2024-04-11 17:28:57 UTC
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Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
DONE. No exceptions.
Says who? It'll solve nothing.

There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
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Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
No they weren't.
Post by Chris
They were no longer observers.
They were observers.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.
They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
election was clean.
Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election

You keep crying.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
"Cases of voter fraud" as reported by the fake media, which simply
does not report cases of fraud in favor of Democrat candidates.
lol. If you really believe this, living life must be difficult for you.
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2024-04-12 02:53:46 UTC
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Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
DONE. No exceptions.
Says who? It'll solve nothing.
There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
No they weren't.
Post by Chris
They were no longer observers.
They were observers.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.
They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
election was clean.
Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.
Post by Chris
You keep crying.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
In all cases of voter fraud two things were discovered 1) in no instance
was there enough to come close to affect any vote, 2) most of the
fraudulent ballots were in favour of GOP candidates.
"Cases of voter fraud" as reported by the fake media, which simply
does not report cases of fraud in favor of Democrat candidates.
lol. If you really believe this, living life must be difficult for you.
Alan
2024-04-12 03:18:11 UTC
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Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
DONE. No exceptions.
Says who? It'll solve nothing.
There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
No they weren't.
Post by Chris
They were no longer observers.
They were observers.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.
They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
election was clean.
Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.
Then Trump's lawyers should have followed procedure.
Chris
2024-04-12 12:15:18 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
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Post by Anonymous
Post by David Higton
Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that
...they stopped counting in the middle of the night,
As per their rules (in a few counties) laid down before the election began.
People are allowed to sleep.
Only to resume counting a relatively short time later?
Furthermore, if you are counting mail-in votes (which should be
banned), you should be required to remain in that room until it's
DONE. No exceptions.
Says who? It'll solve nothing.
There's only one reason why you want to ban mail-in ballots.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
threw out the
observers,
Because they were trying to interfere with the count.
No they weren't.
Post by Chris
They were no longer observers.
They were observers.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
and trucked in enough fraudulent ballots to swing the
election.
Didn't happen.
They had overwhelming motive and opportunity. Therefore, it is
reasonable to shift the burden of proof to those who claim the
election was clean.
Already happened. All of Trump's cases claiming the above were either
dismissed or found against him. 0/62 is an impressive failure rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election
All that proves is that the courts are thoroughly corrupt. A lot of those
cases were dismissed on procedural grounds.
Then Trump's lawyers should have followed procedure.
You'd think a "billionaire" could afford competent lawyers...
Chris
2024-04-10 08:25:57 UTC
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Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that Trump was the one trying to steal the election. I'm surprised
that that has attracted so little attention.
The 90-odd cases he tried to attack the result with - and lost - shows it
was a non-story. Due process worked as intended.

Then, he let his petulance get the better of himself and lead a riot to the
capitol.
Alan
2024-04-10 14:49:21 UTC
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Post by David Higton
Post by Chris
Oh and the election wasn't stolen.
The reality, i.e. what was determined from the observable facts, was
that Trump was the one trying to steal the election. I'm surprised
that that has attracted so little attention.
The 90-odd cases he tried to attack the result with - and lost - shows it
was a non-story. Due process worked as intended.
Then, he let his petulance get the better of himself and lead a riot to the
capitol.
I wish it could be written off as simply petulance...

...but he had lots of co-conspirators who were in deadly earnest of
overthrowing the results.
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2024-04-10 03:11:09 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes, while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule. Only men do.
Alan
2024-04-10 03:18:24 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
wrong. Ever.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
cases,
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case
is a
Post by Chris
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd
just
Post by Chris
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
Hypocrites the
Post by Chris
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes, while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Stealing classified information is a "made-up crime"?
Chris
2024-04-10 08:37:50 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.

Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.

If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted. Why should it be any different for Trump?
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
Post by Anonymous
while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule.
False.
Post by Anonymous
Only men do.
What about women? ;)
Anonymous
2024-04-11 03:28:55 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally. The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule.
False.
Not false. "Rule of law" is a political ideal, a fiction.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Only men do.
What about women? ;)
Women shouldn't be in politics.
Chris
2024-04-11 17:17:14 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.

At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule.
False.
Not false. "Rule of law" is a political ideal, a fiction.
It's the basis for civil society.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Only men do.
What about women? ;)
Women shouldn't be in politics.
Totally not surprised you'd be a misogynist.
Anonymous
2024-04-12 02:55:25 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women, then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted? If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
while Alvin Bragg refuses to
prosecute violent street criminals.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you want to
live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule.
False.
Not false. "Rule of law" is a political ideal, a fiction.
It's the basis for civil society.
The Left has destroyed civil society. Once they're defeated, probably
after some, or much unpleasantness, maybe we can have nice fictions
again.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Only men do.
What about women? ;)
Women shouldn't be in politics.
Totally not surprised you'd be a misogynist.
Chris
2024-04-12 12:19:45 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
Anonymous
2024-04-14 05:23:51 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!

Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.

Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Alan
2024-04-14 06:37:32 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.

It is literally in the indictments.

<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>

I'll give you one example:

'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February
14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and
aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in
the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael
Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'

That's a FELONY, doofus.

There are 33 more listed there.
Anonymous
2024-04-15 02:48:14 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business
partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the
defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE , in
violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in the
County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to
defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise,
to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a
record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the
Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
Alan
2024-04-15 04:21:19 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about
February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another
crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a
false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an
invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record
of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the
Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
You don't understand the law.

There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".

There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was
undertaken in furtherance of.
Anonymous
2024-04-16 05:09:58 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case
is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred he'd
just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the
defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE ,
in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in
the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with
intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the
commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of
an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017,
marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and
maintained by the Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
You don't understand the law.
There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was undertaken
in furtherance of.
Fine, then what was the underlying crime?
Alan
2024-04-16 18:44:39 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer
or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost
two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -
in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and
screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from
Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4
separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until
one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment,
accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN
THE FIRST DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as
follows: The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on
or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to
commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof,
made and caused a false entry in the business records of an
enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14,
2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and
kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
You don't understand the law.
There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was
undertaken in furtherance of.
Fine, then what was the underlying crime?
Federal election contribution crimes.
Hank Rogers
2024-04-16 22:25:25 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  - in
most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he
is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from
Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until
one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as
Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not
how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses
the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST
DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The
defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about
February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another
crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a
false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an
invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record
of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the
Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
You don't understand the law.
There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was
undertaken in furtherance of.
Fine, then what was the underlying crime?
Federal election contribution crimes.
Likely. And he probably used an insecure android phone to commit the
crimes. That's how he got caught.
Alan
2024-04-17 01:06:15 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a
customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost
two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -
in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and
screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually
assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
charged?
Not yet. Here's hoping...
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
actual justice.
In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation
aren't just
anything.
If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
prosecuted.
Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
Why? Civil law is just as important.
Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
in the criminal system.
Still evidence of wrongdoing.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Why should it be any different for Trump?
Nobody is saying it should be.
That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
trial. The courts should decide.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook
he is. If it
wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from
Fred he'd just
be pretty street criminal.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4
separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order
until one of their
own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's
"persecution". Hypocrites the
lot of them.
How people for that, I don't know.
I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The
right were
desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as
Trump. Again,
it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's
not how fair
society works.
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
Sure he has.
No he hasn't.
Post by Alan
It is literally in the indictments.
<https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment,
accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS
IN THE FIRST DEGREE , in violation of Penal Law §175.10,
committed as follows: The defendant, in the County of New York and
elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud
and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the
commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business
records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen
dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump
Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'
That's a FELONY, doofus.
There are 33 more listed there.
Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
You don't understand the law.
There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was
undertaken in furtherance of.
Fine, then what was the underlying crime?
Federal election contribution crimes.
Likely. And he probably used an insecure android phone to commit the
crimes. That's how he got caught.
So does Android not have a news client that can kill threads? Or
sub-threads?
Chris
2024-04-14 09:34:50 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.

Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.

When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.

But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
The Real Bev
2024-04-14 17:38:05 UTC
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Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what? Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
--
Cheers, Bev
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short.
But scream it at them in Klingon, because life is also
terrifying and confusing." -- D. Moore
Alan
2024-04-14 17:43:14 UTC
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Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
cultural/socio-economic standpoint and yet there is this one weird thing:

We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
The Real Bev
2024-04-14 18:07:00 UTC
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Post by Chris
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
Canadians are just nicer than USians. OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"
--
Cheers, Bev
There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet
without fear of attack: the illiterate and the Amish.
Alan
2024-04-14 18:13:45 UTC
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Post by Chris
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"
That's your best is it?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>

Do you notice anything about that chart?
The Real Bev
2024-04-14 19:02:37 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Chris
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"
That's your best is it?
Not worth the full effort.

We have lots of guns and lots of criminals. More than we have cops.
Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?

Yeah, most people don't carry. Would there be more or less crime if
armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?

That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
for decades.
Post by Alan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
Do you notice anything about that chart?
So what?
--
Cheers, Bev
"If you watch TV news, you know less about the world than
if you just drank gin straight from the bottle."
- Garrison Keillor
Alan
2024-04-14 19:04:18 UTC
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Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"
That's your best is it?
Not worth the full effort.
We have lots of guns and lots of criminals.  More than we have cops.
Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?
Yeah, most people don't carry.  Would there be more or less crime if
armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?
There's less crime in Canada...

...and the criminals all KNOW no one is carrying.
Post by The Real Bev
That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
for decades.
Post by Alan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
Do you notice anything about that chart?
So what?
Really? That's the best you've got?
Chris
2024-04-15 06:18:22 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Chris
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what?  Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
You know, Canada is pretty much identical to the US from a
We have far FAR fewer people getting killed by firearms; more then 5
times fewer.
Canadians are just nicer than USians.  OTOH, "they're not even a real
country anyway!"
That's your best is it?
Not worth the full effort.
We have lots of guns and lots of criminals. More than we have cops.
No different than most western countries.
Post by The Real Bev
Aside from wishing, and in the full knowledge that this situation will
continue for the indefinite future, what do you think the average
law-abiding citizen should do in case of attack by a criminal?
Just like in any other country. Call the professionals. Remember the vast
majority of criminals have no interest in seriously harming you. It takes
effort, it's risky and increases jail time if caught. They want submission
and compliance.
Post by The Real Bev
Yeah, most people don't carry. Would there be more or less crime if
armed criminals KNEW that their intended victims were NOT carrying?
The US has more serious crime than any equivalent country. It also has more
civilian held guns.

Other countries have less crime so:
Fewer guns = less serious crime
Post by The Real Bev
That's all the effort I'm going to put into an argument that's gone on
for decades.
And has been solved in several countries through gun control.
Post by The Real Bev
Post by Alan
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
Do you notice anything about that chart?
So what?
Chris
2024-04-14 22:10:58 UTC
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Post by Chris
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
When everyone is carrying a gun you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
Then what? Call a cop and maybe one will show up in half an hour?
It's the cops that are there spotting those with illegal guns. No waiting
required. You're making the mistake of only considering active shooters.

Maybe in the US the police are too slow/incompetent/cowardly to respond
effectively(see Uvalde, Parkland, et al). In other countries the police are
more professional.
Post by The Real Bev
Post by Chris
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
Anonymous
2024-04-15 03:06:15 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
Post by Chris
Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
Post by Chris
When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
Post by Chris
you can't differentiate between the good
and bad guys. When you ban guns the bad guys are easy to spot.
But "muh freedom" is more important. Idiots the lot of them.
Alan
2024-04-15 15:56:56 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two
civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in
most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done
something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
Post by Chris
When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
The simple fact is:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>

Deal with it.
Anonymous
2024-04-16 05:10:16 UTC
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case
is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
AND YEARS and cry "rape"?
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
Post by Chris
When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
Deal with it.
Do you think that someone is more dead after having been shot with a
gun?

And why the focus on the "developed world"? Mexico has fierce gun laws
and a much higher murder rate.
Alan
2024-04-16 05:23:43 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer
or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost
two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -
in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and
screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
AND YEARS and cry "rape"?
Why should he be allowed to get away with it even if it's been years?
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
Post by Chris
When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate#/media/File:2019_Gun_ownership_rates_and_gun_homicide_rates_-_developed_world_-_scatter_plot.svg>
Deal with it.
Do you think that someone is more dead after having been shot with a
gun?
And why the focus on the "developed world"?
Because those countries are similar to the US in terms of wealth, social
development, etc.
Post by Anonymous
Mexico has fierce gun laws
and a much higher murder rate.
And there is a lot more poverty in Mexico.
Alan
2024-04-17 17:16:11 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
So is trump. They are much alike and have never done
anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer
or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost
two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -
in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and
screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a
civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
What exactly—in your humble opinion—"happened" to Harvey Weinstein?
Why should some slut be allowed to go to the authorities after YEARS
AND YEARS and cry "rape"?
"Some slut"? As in, ONE person?


Found this for you:

'Weinstein has sexually assaulted at least three women. He was convicted
in 2020 of raping aspiring actress Jessica Mann and sexually assaulting
Miriam Haley,[3] a production assistant.[38] In 2022, he was convicted
of raping and sexually assaulting an unnamed woman[4] who later revealed
herself to be Evgeniya Chernyshova, a model and actor living in Italy.[39]'

Now let's look at the specific cases.

'He was convicted in 2020 of raping aspiring actress Jessica Mann and
sexually assaulting Miriam Haley':

'The jury found Mr. Weinstein, 67, guilty of raping an aspiring actress,
Jessica Mann, at a Midtown hotel in 2013, and forcibly performing oral
sex on a production assistant, Miriam Haley, in his Lower Manhattan
apartment in 2006.'

'In 2022, he was convicted of raping and sexually assaulting an unnamed
woman[4] who later revealed herself to be Evgeniya Chernyshova, a model
and actor living in Italy.[39]'

'Jurors in December convicted Weinstein of one count of rape and two
counts of sexual assault against the woman who at the trial’s opening in
October gave a dramatic and emotional account of him arriving uninvited
at her hotel room during a 2013 film festival in the run-up to the
Oscars, talking his way in and assaulting her during a film festival.'

So yes; some years had passed, but not the statute of limitations, right?

And this is three separate women, testifying under oath about three
separate incidents.


And those are just the convictions.



'Women who have accused Weinstein of rape include:

Lysette Anthony told British police in October 2017 that Weinstein raped
her in the late 1980s at her home in London.[119]

Asia Argento told The New Yorker that in 1997, Weinstein invited her
into a hotel room, "pulled her skirt up, forced her legs apart, and
performed oral sex on her as she repeatedly told him to stop".[29]

Wedil David, an actress, said that in 2016, Harvey Weinstein raped her
in a Beverly Hills hotel room.[55]

Paz de la Huerta said Weinstein had raped her on two separate occasions
in November and December 2010.[56]

Lucia Evans said, after a business meeting in 2004, Weinstein forced her
to perform oral sex on him.[29]

Hope Exiner d'Amore, a former employee of Weinstein, said he raped her
during a business trip to New York in the late 1970s.[48]

Miriam "Mimi" Haleyi, a production crew member, said Weinstein forcibly
performed oral sex on her in his New York City apartment in 2006 when
she was in her twenties.[120]

Dominique Huett said Weinstein forcibly performed oral sex on her and
then carried out another sexual act in front of her.[121]

Natassia Malthe said in 2008, Weinstein barged into her London hotel
room at night and raped her.[88][122]

Rose McGowan wrote on Twitter that she told the Amazon Studios head Roy
Price that Weinstein had raped her, but Price ignored this and continued
collaborating with Weinstein.[123] Price later resigned from his post
following sexual harassment allegations against him.[124]

Annabella Sciorra said that, in the early 1990s, Weinstein forced
himself into her apartment, shoved her onto her bed and raped her.[72][125]

Melissa Thompson, a tech entrepreneur, told Sky News Weinstein raped her
in his hotel room following a business meeting in 2011.[126][127][128]

Wende Walsh, model and aspiring actress said that when she was working
as a waitress at an Elmwood Avenue bar in the late 1970s, Weinstein
begged her for a ride and then once inside the car, he sexually
assaulted her.[84][116]

An unnamed woman told The New Yorker that Weinstein invited her into a
hotel room on a pretext, and "forced himself on [her] sexually" despite
her protests.[29]

An anonymous woman who works in the film industry says in a civil claim
she filed in the U.K. in November 2017 that he sexually assaulted her
several times sometime after 2000.[84]

An unnamed Canadian actress says he sexually assaulted her in 2000. She
filed suit against him in 2017.[84]

An unnamed actress sued Weinstein for sexual battery and assault,
alleging that in 2016 he forced her into sex.[129]'


That's 17 more women alleging rape.


And that is JUST the rape allegations


'Women who said they had been sexually harassed or assaulted by
Weinstein include:

Amber Anderson, actress[41]
Lysette Anthony, actress[42]
Asia Argento, actress and director[29]
Rosanna Arquette, actress[29]
Jessica Barth, actress[29]
Kate Beckinsale, actress[43]
Juls Bindi, massage therapist[44]
Cate Blanchett, actress[45][note 1]
Helena Bonham Carter, actress[46]
Zoë Brock, model[47]
Cynthia Burr, actress[48]
Liza Campbell, writer and artist[49]
Alexandra Canosa, producer[50][51]
Rowena Chiu, Weinstein employee[52]
Marisa Coughlan, actress and writer[53]
Hope Exiner d'Amore, Weinstein employee[48]
Florence Darel, actress[54]
Wedil David, actress[55]
Emma de Caunes, actress[29]
Paz de la Huerta, actress[56]
Juliana De Paula, model[57]
Cara Delevingne, actress and model[58]
Sophie Dix, actress[59]
Jane Doe, model and aspiring actress[60]
Lacey Dorn, actress and filmmaker[48]
Kaitlin Doubleday, actress[61]
Caitlin Dulany, actress[62]
Dawn Dunning, actress[63]
Lina Esco, actress and director[64]
Alice Evans, actress[65]
Lucia Evans, formerly Lucia Stoller, actress[29]
Angie Everhart, model and actress[66]
Claire Forlani, actress[67]
Romola Garai, actress[68]
Louisette Geiss, screenwriter and actress[49]
Louise Godbold, nonprofit organization director[49]
Judith Godrèche, actress[63]
Trish Goff, former model, actress, and real estate broker[69]
Larissa Gomes, actress[62]
Heather Graham, actress[70]
Eva Green, actress[71]
Ambra Gutierrez, formerly Ambra Battilana, model[27]
Daryl Hannah, actress[72]
Salma Hayek, actress and producer[73]
Lena Headey, actress[74]
Anne Heche, actress[75]
Paris Hilton, media personality and socialite[76]
Lauren Holly, actress[77]
Dominique Huett, actress[78]
Jessica Hynes, actress, director and writer[79]
Amy Israel, Miramax executive[17]
Angelina Jolie, actress and director[63]
Ashley Judd, actress and political activist[17][27]
Minka Kelly, actress[80]
Katherine Kendall, actress[63]
Heather Kerr, actress[81][82]
Mia Kirshner, actress[17][83]
Myleene Klass, singer and model[27]
Nannette Klatt, actress[84]
Liz Kouri, actress[84]
Olga Kurylenko, model and actress[85]
Jasmine Lobe, actress[84]
Emma Loman (alias), German actress[86]
Ivana Lowell, author and daughter of Lady Caroline Blackwood[84]
Laura Madden, Weinstein employee[49]
Madonna, singer-songwriter and actress[87]
Natassia Malthe, actress[88]
Julianna Margulies, actress[89]
Brit Marling, actress[90][91]
Sarah Ann Masse, actress, comedian, and writer[49]
Ashley Matthau, actress[17][48]
Rose McGowan, actress[17][27]
Natalie Mendoza, actress[92]
Sophie Morris, administrative assistant[93]
Katya Mtsitouridze, TV hostess and head of Russian film body Roskino[94]
Emily Nestor, Weinstein employee[49]
Jennifer Siebel Newsom, documentary filmmaker and actress[17][95]
Connie Nielsen, actress[96]
Kadian Noble, actress[97]
Lupita Nyong'o, actress[98]
Lauren O'Connor, Weinstein employee[17][99]
Julia Ormond, actress[100]
Gwyneth Paltrow, actress[17][63]
Samantha Panagrosso, former model[101]
Zelda Perkins, Weinstein employee[49]
Vu Thu Phuong, actress and businesswoman[17][102]
Sarah Polley, actress, writer, and director[103]
Emanuela Postacchini, actress[104][105]
Monica Potter, actress[106]
Aishwarya Rai, actress[107]
Tomi-Ann Roberts, professor of psychology and former aspiring actress[63]
Lisa Rose, Miramax employee[108]
Erika Rosenbaum, actress[109]
Melissa Sagemiller, actress[110]
Annabella Sciorra, actress[72]
Léa Seydoux, actress[111]
Lauren Sivan, journalist[112]
Chelsea Skidmore, actress and comedian[64]
Mira Sorvino, actress[29]
Kaja Sokola, model[113]
Tara Subkoff, actress[27]
Melissa Thompson[62]
Uma Thurman, actress[114]
Paula Wachowiak, Weinstein employee[115]
Wende Walsh, model and aspiring actress[84][116]
Paula Williams, actress[117]
Sean Young, actress[118]

That is another 107 women.

In all, 127 women have have made the accusations, asshole.

Chris
2024-04-15 18:52:38 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?
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Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
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There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
No one needs vigilantes.
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When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
It wasn't meant literally.
Anonymous
2024-04-16 05:10:37 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?
No he didn't. Maybe you should be rape hoaxed.
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Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
No one needs vigilantes.
Self-defense is not vigilantism.
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When everyone is carrying a gun
But not everyone carries a gun.
It wasn't meant literally.
Chris
2024-04-16 06:48:16 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil case is a
clear case of doing something wrong.
No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
Not morally.
Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
completely lost any sense of reality.
At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted one
woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
What the fuck does that mean?
Post by Anonymous
then why wasn't
he criminally prosecuted?
Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
CJS for a long time.
Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
Spoken like a true misogynist.
Go read what happened to Harvey Weinstein.
He got what he deserved. Maybe you want to join him?
No he didn't. Maybe you should be rape hoaxed.
You're getting incoherent. Are the drugs wearing off?
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Are there any aspects of the law you trust? From here it sounds like you'd
prefer the wild west.
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Post by Chris
Post by Anonymous
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Post by Anonymous
There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
anything.
Countless, really? Examples.
Notable you didn't answer this.
All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
if you really want to get into that debate.
Why do "peaceable men" need to have a gun? In modern society there's no
need for anyone to be carrying guns. It's just boys pretending to be men.
Because bad and evil men exist. This isn't changed by modern society.
No one needs vigilantes.
Self-defense is not vigilantism.
Pre-empirically carrying a gun is not "self-defence". Its weakness.
Billions of people are quite capable of not becoming a victim without
needing guns for "self-defence".
The Real Bev
2024-04-17 17:05:21 UTC
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Pre-empirically carrying a gun is not "self-defence". Its weakness.
Billions of people are quite capable of not becoming a victim without
needing guns for "self-defence".
Yes, screaming I AM NOT A VICTIM at the thug with a knife will
definitely send him on his way abashed and save Granny from being
harmed. Or perhaps you were thinking of the umbrella with the sharpened tip?
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Alan
2024-04-10 16:03:30 UTC
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Do you even hear yourself? Is that really the sort of america you
want to
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live in where there's no rule of law. People are targeted with violence
simply for stating the truth.
Laws don't rule. Only men do.
That's not what "rule of law" means, you simpleton.
Kees Nuyt
2024-04-12 12:04:20 UTC
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Instead, we have politically-
motivated persecutions for made-up crimes
In many cases You The People (i.e. Grand Jury) decide who to
prosecute, not politicians.
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2024-04-02 16:00:19 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Apple is unwilling to use Google's PROPRIETARY encryption, dimwit.

Apple has explicitly stated that they'll work with the mobile phone
group that created RCS to build encryption into it.
Arno Welzel
2024-04-05 09:42:20 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Post by Tamborino
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
But this is not the fault of RCS.
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Alan
2024-04-05 18:11:48 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Incorrect.

RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.

The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.
Post by Arno Welzel
Post by Tamborino
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
But this is not the fault of RCS.
It is actually.

Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?
Arno Welzel
2024-04-12 16:26:02 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Incorrect.
RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.
The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.
Yes, you're right. I stand corrected.

[...]
Post by Alan
Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?
What is the difference? Messages get send anyway, just not encrypted
during transmission. But where is the security issue here?

It's more likely that Apple just does not want to implement stuff which
is not an official standard.
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Jörg Lorenz
2024-04-13 16:44:29 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Arlen again.Troll.

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