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stan
2024-04-14 21:08:57 UTC
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AI will help accelerate this trend. It's already becoming annoying. Who
needs 100 different AI sources pushing their crap in your face every
minute?

Will Stults spent too much time on his iPhone, doom-scrolling the site
formerly known as Twitter and tweeting angrily at Elon Musk as if the
billionaire would actually notice. Stults’s partner, Daisy Krigbaum, was
addicted to Pinterest and YouTube, bingeing videos on her iPhone before
going to sleep. Two years ago, they both tried Apple’s Screen Time
restriction tool and found it too easy to disable, so the pair decided to
trade out their iPhones for more low-tech devices. They’d heard about so-
called dumbphones, which lacked the kinds of bells and whistles—a high-
resolution screen, an app store, a video camera—that made smartphones so
addictive. But they found the process of acquiring one hard to navigate.
“The information on it was kind of disparate and hard to get to. A lot of
people who know the most about dumbphones spend the least time online,”
Krigbaum said. A certain irony presented itself: figuring out a way to be
less online required aggressive online digging.

The couple—Stults is twenty-nine, and Krigbaum is twenty-five—saw a
business opportunity. “If somebody could condense it and simplify it to
the best options, maybe more people would make the switch,” Krigbaum said.
In late 2022, they launched an e-commerce company, Dumbwireless, to sell
phones, data plans, and accessories for people who want to reduce time
spent on their screens. This wasn’t Stults’s first attempt at
entrepreneurship; his past efforts included a made-in-America clothing
brand in Colorado (“That went under,” he said) and a coffee shop in the
back of an ill-attended Hollywood comedy club (“A doomed enterprise,”
Krigbaum said). Dumbwireless, however, has been much more successful.

The couple’s home, in East Los Angeles, has turned into a kind of
dumbphone emporium, with five hundred boxed devices stacked up in what was
supposed to be a dining room. Stults takes business calls on his personal
cell, and on one recent morning the first call came at 5 a.m. (As the lead
on customer service, he has to use a smartphone—go figure.) They pack each
order by hand, sometimes with handwritten notes. They have not yet quit
their day jobs, which are in the service industry, but Dumbwireless sold
more than seventy thousand dollars’ worth of products last month, ten
times more than in March, 2023. Krigbaum and Stults noticed an
acceleration in sales last October, which they speculate may have had
something to do with the onslaught of holiday-shopping season. Some of
their popular phone offerings include the Light Phone, an e-ink device
with almost no apps; the Nokia 2780, a traditional flip phone; and the
Punkt., a calculator-ish Swiss device that looks like something designed
for Neo to carry in “The Matrix” (which, to be fair, is a movie of the
dumbphone era).

The growing dumbphone fervor may be motivated, in part, by the discourse
around child safety online. Parents are increasingly confronted with
evidence that sites like Instagram and TikTok intentionally try to hook
their children. Using those sites can increase teens’ anxiety and lower
their self-esteem, according to some studies, and smartphones make it so
that kids are logged on constantly. Why should this situation be any
healthier for adults? After almost two decades with iPhones, the public
seems to be experiencing a collective ennui with digital life. So many
hours of each day are lived through our portable, glowing screens, but the
Internet isn’t even fun anymore. We lack the self-control to wean
ourselves off, so we crave devices that actively prevent us from getting
sucked into them. That means opting out of the prevailing technology and
into what Cal Newport, a contributing writer for The New Yorker, has
called a more considered “digital minimalism.”

The Light Phone débuted in 2017, before smartphone exhaustion became a
mainstream ailment. The company’s co-founders, Kaiwei Tang and Joe
Hollier, have sold tens of thousands of phones. The Light Phone II,
released in 2019, features a monochrome touch screen that allows users to
make calls, send text messages, and use a few custom apps: an alarm and
timer, a calendar, directions, notes, music and podcast libraries. There
are no social-media apps or streaming apps. “The point is to create useful
utility that does not have the attention economy built in,” Tang said.
Like Dumbwireless, Light Phone has recently been experiencing a surge in
demand. From 2022 to 2023, its revenue doubled, and it is on track to
double again in 2024, the founders told me. Hollier pointed to Jonathan
Haidt’s new book, “The Anxious Generation,” about the adverse effects of
smartphones on adolescents. Light Phone is receiving increased inquiries
and bulk-order requests from churches, schools, and after-school programs.
In September, 2022, the company began a partnership with a private school
in Williamstown, Massachusetts, to provide Light Phones to the
institution’s staff members and students; smartphones are now prohibited
on campus. According to the school, the experiment has had a salutary
effect both on student classroom productivity and on campus social life.
Tang told me, “We’re talking to twenty to twenty-five schools now.”

To Tang and Hollier’s surprise, some of the most willing Light Phone
converts are Gen Z-ers. Some of them are younger than the iPhone. Digital
technology has been an inevitable feature of their lives, yet they are
also better equipped, or better motivated, than generations past to
confront its negative impacts. Apple recently allowed third-party
developers to write software that accesses the iPhone’s Screen Time
function, meaning that some new programs can now help users limit their
screen time by blocking apps. T. J. Driver and Zach Nasgowitz, two
engineers in their early twenties, took advantage of this change to create
an iPhone accessory called Brick, to fight their own excessive phone
usage. Brick, which launched in September of 2023, is a magnetized plastic
cube with a corresponding app that allows you to select which features you
want to block on your smartphone. Tapping the brick activates or lifts the
blockage. Driver and Nasgowitz started with one 3-D printer to produce the
accessories; now they have fifteen machines running around the clock and
are shipping a few hundred products a day.

There is no one dumbphone solution for everyone. Each digital addict is
addicted in her own way. Stults, of Dumbwireless, uses an app called
Unpluq, which works similarly to Brick, blocking specific apps from his
smartphone while allowing him to maintain the store’s customer-service
channels, including e-mail and Shopify. Krigbaum has been a committed
Light Phone user for the past two years. She said that she doesn’t miss
her smartphone, but that her new device can cause some awkwardness when
she meets other young people who ask how to keep in touch. They mean on
social media, of course; for the vast swath of Gen Z-ers who don’t use
dumbphones, exchanging numbers to text message or, God forbid, call seems
archaic. “I’ve been saying, ‘I guess I’ll see you if I see you,’ ”
Krigbaum said.

When I want to escape from my iPhone, I pop the sim card out (which,
unfortunately, is not possible on some newer iPhones) and install it in a
red Nokia 2780 flip phone—the closing snap of which brings me back
instantly to my high-school days, when flip phones were cutting edge.
After the surprisingly easy switching process, I take the simple device
with me on my daily walks with my dog. If I had my smartphone in hand, I’d
be refreshing Instagram or compulsively checking my e-mail while my hound
does her business or sniffs tree trunks. With the Nokia, I’ve cut myself
off from such meaningless digital stimuli but preserved my ability to
answer texts or phone calls if necessary. (I’m too much of a millennial to
actually leave the house without any phone.) I find myself looking more at
my surroundings, which are particularly enjoyable in springtime, and I am
more relaxed when I return from the excursions. When I switch the sim card
back into my iPhone, the device seems momentarily absurd: an enormous
screen filled with infinite entertainment and information that follows me
wherever I go. Then I open all my usual apps in quick succession—e-mail,
Instagram, Slack—to see what I’ve missed. ?

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/the-dumbphone-boom-is-
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Alan Browne
2024-04-14 21:26:29 UTC
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AI
Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!
--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.
Lou Bricano
2024-04-15 00:14:17 UTC
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AI
Yes.  This will kill smartphones.  Short the Apple and Samsung stock now!  Plow
your proceeds into DJT!  That's the winner!
--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
 nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.
That's a great quote from de Gaulle, and it describes Trump and his stooges
perfectly.
Lil-man-ball
2024-04-15 15:48:12 UTC
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Post by Lou Bricano
That's a great quote
Poor Phil Hendry/tRudy Canoza, he wanted all the notoriety the late Art
Bell had in the fringe radio market, but everyone hated him for his
manipulative voice-overs of characters that existed only in his
tortured mind.

In essence tRudy used Phil's functional mental illness as a proxy for
his own decrepit schizophrenia and MPD.

Bit of a case of life imitating art, this one is...

Well sheeitburgers from Suckramento...here he goes again!

It's another tRudy sock up:

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Now tRudy, can you fire up your Gunner Asch sock too?

You pathetic slithering traitor to America.
Jörg Lorenz
2024-04-17 20:41:04 UTC
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AI
Yes.  This will kill smartphones.  Short the Apple and Samsung stock now!  Plow
your proceeds into DJT!  That's the winner!
--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
 nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.
That's a great quote from de Gaulle, and it describes Trump and his stooges
perfectly.
+1
--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"
Governor Swill
2024-04-17 21:18:43 UTC
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AI
Yes.  This will kill smartphones.  Short the Apple and Samsung stock now!  Plow
your proceeds into DJT!  That's the winner!
--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
 nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.
That's a great quote from de Gaulle, and it describes Trump and his stooges
perfectly.
+1
+2

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2024-04-16 00:43:42 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
AI
Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!
I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.
Frank Slootweg
2024-04-16 12:46:01 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
Post by Alan Browne
AI
Yes. This will kill smartphones. Short the Apple and Samsung stock
now! Plow your proceeds into DJT! That's the winner!
I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.
Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
'dumb' phone what you want?

If the latter, in our country (The Netherlands) and probably most of
Europe (and elsewhere?), small 'dumb' phones are still for sale, for
example the Nokia 8210 4G. Also some 'senior' phones are of the 'dumb'
variety.

Before smartphones, I always used - mostly Nokia - 'dumb' phones and
they fitted easily in my - mostly shirt - pocket.

Of course in this century, 'dumb' phones aren't that dumb anymore, but
they are mostly oriented towards voice calls and SMS.

<https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/914413/nokia-8210-4g-blue.html>
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Frank Slootweg, proud owner of <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6310i>
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2024-04-16 20:54:44 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.
Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
'dumb' phone what you want?
I want a flip phone that is small in size, folds up to fit in my
pocket, and takes up less room than does my wallet. Forget e-mail and
all the spam crapola that comes from such. Also, I don't need
"texting". If I have something to say to someone, I *say* it, not
type it. That's what a phone originally was supposed to do.

The fact that I'm 90 years of age might somewhat explain my choice of
phones.
Frank Slootweg
2024-04-17 11:15:15 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2024 17:26:29 -0400, Alan Browne
I'd luv to be able to buy a simple flip phone that fit in my pocket
and did nothing else except be a simpe phone and NOTHING else.
Does it need to be a *flip* phone or is, as the subject mentions, a
'dumb' phone what you want?
I want a flip phone that is small in size, folds up to fit in my
pocket, and takes up less room than does my wallet. Forget e-mail and
all the spam crapola that comes from such. Also, I don't need
"texting". If I have something to say to someone, I *say* it, not
type it. That's what a phone originally was supposed to do.
The fact that I'm 90 years of age might somewhat explain my choice of
phones.
If that's what you want, then why don't you just *buy* one!?

I don't know where you live, but I did a quick search on "simple flip
phone" and get tons of results/choices, including 4G ones, in case your
network requires a 4G phone.

Amongst the results are worldwide suppliers like Amazon, so go for it!
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