Google & Apple maps changed the name of a large indentation of the Atlantic coastline

[Marion]

Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of
name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation.
*gulf of america*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>

Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few
days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public
announcement.

My question here, to the world at large, is how much of the world's GNIS
systems are following suit? Is there any statement, for example, from
whatever mapping system the UK or EU use to formerly identify places?

Apparently the Ordnance Survey is the national mapping agency for Great
Britain proper, but the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) is
who advises the UK government on the correct form of geographical names
outside of the UK. Any status on that?

The EU is trickier to pin down, where the EU apparently relies on
individual member states for internal names, although I can find references
to the Infrastructure for Spatial Information in Europe (INSPIRE) which
seems to be who promotes standardization and harmonization of geographic
place names through individual initiatives.

Anyone across the pond have a status on what's changing or not for you?

[Alan]

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of
name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation.
*gulf of america*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?
id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Nope.

How stupid are you?

Post by Marion
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few
days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public
announcement.

That's all you can tell?

Then you're not very bright, are you?

Post by Marion
My question here, to the world at large, is how much of the world's GNIS
systems are following suit? Is there any statement, for example, from
whatever mapping system the UK or EU use to formerly identify places?

The "Geographic Names Information System" is an entity created by the US
federal government.

Why would you even imagine that such an entity exists elsewhere by that
name? Or are you just too ignorant to ask your question properly?

Post by Marion
Apparently the Ordnance Survey is the national mapping agency for Great
Britain proper, but the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) is
who advises the UK government on the correct form of geographical names
outside of the UK. Any status on that?
The EU is trickier to pin down, where the EU apparently relies on
individual member states for internal names, although I can find references
to the Infrastructure for Spatial Information in Europe (INSPIRE) which
seems to be who promotes standardization and harmonization of geographic
place names  through individual initiatives.
Anyone across the pond have a status on what's changing or not for you?

Nothing is changing for anyone else, doofus.

<https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/nna/nna-committees/>

Educate yourself.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

[Andy Burns]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

And it still says "Denali"

[Alan]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

And it still says "Denali"

Same and same (Canada)

[Marion]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

And it still says "Denali"

Thanks Andy as you're in the UK that's very useful locale information
that your maps, in the UK at least, are showing both naming conventions.

Here, both Apple Maps & Google Maps say only the "Gulf of America".
<Loading Image...>

But you bring up a great point about the fact that in 2015 "Mount McKinley"
was officially changed back to "Denali" by the US Secretary of the Interior
- yet - on January 23, 2025, Trump signed a similar executive order making
the name switch back.

Interesting how one changed and not the other... as I just checked Apple
Maps which shows Mount Denali in Mt. McKinley National Park, Alaska.

If we keep an eye on the delta, we can learn better how the system works.

[Alan]

Post by Marion

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

And it still says "Denali"

Thanks Andy as you're in the UK that's very useful locale information
that your maps, in the UK at least, are showing both naming conventions.
Here, both Apple Maps & Google Maps say only the "Gulf of America".
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLrr9ZSL/gulf-google.jpg>
But you bring up a great point about the fact that in 2015 "Mount McKinley"
was officially changed back to "Denali" by the US Secretary of the Interior
- yet - on January 23, 2025, Trump signed a similar executive order making
the name switch back.
Interesting how one changed and not the other... as I just checked Apple
Maps which shows Mount Denali in Mt. McKinley National Park, Alaska.
If we keep an eye on the delta, we can learn better how the system works.

You're an idiot if think there is some underlying "system".

[Frank Slootweg]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

Same here (in The Netherlands).

Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'. it returns a list of hits, which does *not* include
"Gulf of Mexico", but *does* include "Gulf of America". When I click on
the latter, it shows the Gulf with the label "Gulf of Mexico". So while
the news reports indicate that Google has caved in, but Apple hasn't,
Apple has actually partly caved in! :-)

OTOH, Apple Maps also lists "Gulf of Mexico Dr" which is

"Gulf of Mexico Dr
Longboat Key, FL 34228
United States"

So what's next? Are they going to rename that drive as well? :-)

So if you're going to book The Diplomat Beach Resort, Starfish Motel,
etc., make sure you have the right address/directions!

[1] <https://beta.maps.apple.com/>

[Alan]

Post by Frank Slootweg

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

Same here (in The Netherlands).
Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'. it returns a list of hits, which does *not* include
"Gulf of Mexico", but *does* include "Gulf of America". When I click on
the latter, it shows the Gulf with the label "Gulf of Mexico". So while
the news reports indicate that Google has caved in, but Apple hasn't,
Apple has actually partly caved in! :-)
OTOH, Apple Maps also lists "Gulf of Mexico Dr" which is
"Gulf of Mexico Dr
Longboat Key, FL 34228
United States"
So what's next? Are they going to rename that drive as well? :-)
So if you're going to book The Diplomat Beach Resort, Starfish Motel,
etc., make sure you have the right address/directions!
[1] <https://beta.maps.apple.com/>

Frank,

Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...

...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".

[Frank Slootweg]

[...]

Post by Alan

Post by Frank Slootweg
Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'. it returns a list of hits, which does *not* include
"Gulf of Mexico", but *does* include "Gulf of America". When I click on
the latter, it shows the Gulf with the label "Gulf of Mexico". So while
the news reports indicate that Google has caved in, but Apple hasn't,
Apple has actually partly caved in! :-)

[...]

Post by Alan

Post by Frank Slootweg
[1] <https://beta.maps.apple.com/>

Frank,
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".

Well, *here* [1] (in The Netherlands), the *web* version *does* return
hits ("Gulf of America"), both for "Gulf of Mexico" *and* for "Gulf of
America" and clicking the "Gulf of America" hit gives you a pin in the
Gulf. The only 'positive' thing is that the label below the pin is "Gulf
of Mexico".

Bottom line: Apple is a bit confused, but has not (yet?) caved in! :-)

[1] The news reports have indicated that (Mexico versus America) results
depend on the country of the user.

[Marion]

Post by Frank Slootweg

Post by Alan
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".

Well, *here* [1] (in The Netherlands),

Frank,

I've been on Usenet for decades and only a small handful of people are so
worthless as to warrant me bothering to plonk them, Alan Baker being one.

It's a lot of work for me to edit regular expressions to plonk someone, but
people like Snit, Alan Baker, Rod Speed, Joerg Lorenz, et al. warrant it.

Suffice to say: What Alan Baker said is dead wrong.
What you said, that I tested on an iOS device, was completely correct.

It's a waste of everyone's time to ever respond to Alan Baker, but to prove
the point that you are correct, here's my iOS Apple Maps search result:
<https://i.postimg.cc/PqRk4pMT/search-apple.jpg>

That's the result of an iOS Apple maps search for only the three words:
"Gulf of Mexico"

In short, the Apple trolls like Alan Baker are on Usenet only for their
amusement, as their only goal is to deny all facts that they don't like.

Which, pretty much, is all facts.

[Alan]

Post by Alan

Post by Alan
Apple Maps doesn't return hits for bodies of water in general...
...and doesn't (as of this moment) return any hits for "gulf of america".

  Well, *here* [1] (in The Netherlands),

Frank,
I've been on Usenet for decades and only a small handful of people are so
worthless as to warrant me bothering to plonk them, Alan Baker being one.
It's a lot of work for me to edit regular expressions to plonk someone, but
people like Snit, Alan Baker, Rod Speed, Joerg Lorenz, et al. warrant it.
Suffice to say: What Alan Baker said is dead wrong.
What you said, that I tested on an iOS device, was completely correct.

I don't lie, Arlen.

When I clicked on the link that Frank provided it acted precisely as I
said it did.

Post by Alan
It's a waste of everyone's time to ever respond to Alan Baker, but to prove
<https://i.postimg.cc/PqRk4pMT/search-apple.jpg>
"Gulf of Mexico"

And yet you don't show that search...

Interesting.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Frank Slootweg
"Gulf of Mexico Dr
Longboat Key, FL 34228
United States"
So what's next? Are they going to rename that drive as well?

I didn't drive along many keys on the gulf coast, I was probably
gripping the steering wheel in anticipation of the upcoming Skyway
Bridge ...

[Marion]

Post by Frank Slootweg
Funny thing is that if I use the web version of Apple Maps [1] (I
don't have an iDevice, so I can't use the app version), and search for
'Gulf of Mexico'.

Thanks for your input as the goal is to see how and what changes (and why)
for both sides of the Pond, where the impetus comes from this side only.

I do have plenty of iOS devices (which is why I know so much more than any
of the Apple trolls do about Apple products as I compare them to Android).
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLrr9ZSL/gulf-google.jpg> Google Maps

My 10th-generation iPad shows only the "Gulf of America" as of today only.
<Loading Image...> Apple Maps

Following your testing lead, when I search iOS Apple Maps for "Gulf of
Mexico", the word "Mexico" never shows up anywhere in the results.
<Loading Image...> Gulf of Mexico search

So my empirical observation on this side of the Pond is similar to yours.

[JMB99]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Marion
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

Is it possible to add visible labels to Google Maps? Could lots of
people add labels with correct name though not sure if the inhabitants
of Turtle Island would see them.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Andy Burns
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

Is it possible to add visible labels to Google Maps?  Could lots of
people add labels with correct name though not sure if the inhabitants
of Turtle Island would see them.

You can add them to a *version* of the map that you see, and can share,
but you can't just add stuff to *the* map, they do a modicum of fact
checking for e.g. businesses being added or corrections being made.

[Your Name]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Andy Burns
Here it says "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)"

Is it possible to add visible labels to Google Maps?  Could lots of
people add labels with correct name though not sure if the inhabitants
of Turtle Island would see them.

You can add them to a *version* of the map that you see, and can share,
but you can't just add stuff to *the* map, they do a modicum of fact
checking for e.g. businesses being added or corrections being made.

A lot of the business tags used are not even accurate in their
placement, sometimes even on the wrong side of the street (I have even
found one that was on a totally different parallel street). In some
cases it's probably due to the person simply not zooming in close
enough before adding the tag.

[David Woolley]

Post by Your Name
A lot of the business tags used are not even accurate in their
placement, sometimes even on the wrong side of the street (I have even
found one that was on a totally different parallel street). In some
cases it's probably due to the person simply not zooming in close enough
before adding the tag.

It also happens because the business gets placed at a postcode centroid,
rather than the true position.

(And, in spite of the rules about service area only businesses, there
are a lot of businesses, in places where businesses probably operate but
should not be, or should not be, on the map.)

[Abandoned Trolley]

Post by David Woolley
It also happens because the business gets placed at a postcode centroid,
rather than the true position.
(And, in spite of the rules about service area only businesses, there
are a lot of businesses, in places where businesses probably operate but
should not be, or should not be, on the map.)

Also ..... postcode centres for PO Boxes seem to have a different set of
rules.

I had a PO Box of my own for a while, and the postcode centre was
planted on top of the sorting office - which makes some sort of sense,
but ...

Theres a field full of sheep across the road from my house, and right in
the middle of it is a postcode pin for a business which is several miles
away - I sometimes wonder if they get any mail at all.

[Allodoxaphobia]

Post by Abandoned Trolley
Theres a field full of sheep across the road from my house, and right
in the middle of it is a postcode pin for a business which is several
miles away - I sometimes wonder if they get any mail at all.

heh.... Maybe they don't want any mail.

[JMB99]

Post by Abandoned Trolley
Theres a field full of sheep across the road from my house, and right in
the middle of it is a postcode pin for a business which is several miles
away - I sometimes wonder if they get any mail at all.

I mentioned that we did an audit for one mobile operator. We had to
turn off the site to unplug units to read serial numbers, we did this in
one remote area and could not get the site to switch back on so rang up
their 'Control' (whatever they called it at that time).

The chap there told me not to worry because there were more f###ing
sheep than users in that area.

[VanguardLH]

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline
indentation. *gulf of america*

Hardly an indentation. You think if you're standing on the shore at
Tampa that you can see across the Gulf? Guess you must also think
Hudson Bay, Sea of Okhotsk, South China Sea, Arabian Sea, and Bay of
Bengal are just "indentations", too.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/gulf-of-america-day-2025/

More Trump shit. Rename, and add another stupid holiday.

[david]

Post by VanguardLH

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline
indentation. *gulf of america*

Hardly an indentation. You think if you're standing on the shore at
Tampa that you can see across the Gulf? Guess you must also think
Hudson Bay, Sea of Okhotsk, South China Sea, Arabian Sea, and Bay of
Bengal are just "indentations", too.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/gulf-of-america-day-2025/
More Trump shit. Rename, and add another stupid holiday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/13/google-maps-admits-deleting-critical-gulf-of-america-reviews/

In a post on X, Google explained that it draws data from the Geographic
Names Information System when naming places in the U.S. Once GNIS set the
new standard as the 'Gulf of America', all mentions of the location as the
Gulf of Mexico now technically fall under what Google would consider 'fake
content.'

When deciding how to depict location names outside the US on Maps, Google
sources data from authoritative standards bodies like the United Nations,
ISO and the FIPS.

Although the first to implement the change, Google Maps is not the only
one. Apple Maps and Bing have subsequently also followed suit, with both
now displaying the Gulf of Mexico as 'Gulf of America.'

[Jim S]

Post by david

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a
change of name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline
indentation. *gulf of america*

Hardly an indentation.  You think if you're standing on the shore at
Tampa that you can see across the Gulf?  Guess you must also think
Hudson Bay, Sea of Okhotsk, South China Sea, Arabian Sea, and Bay of
Bengal are just "indentations", too.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/gulf-of-
america-day-2025/
More Trump shit.  Rename, and add another stupid holiday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dimitarmixmihov/2025/02/13/google-maps-
admits-deleting-critical-gulf-of-america-reviews/
In a post on X, Google explained that it draws data from the Geographic
Names Information System when naming places in the U.S. Once GNIS set the
new standard as the 'Gulf of America', all mentions of the location as the
Gulf of Mexico now technically fall under what Google would consider 'fake
content.'
When deciding how to depict location names outside the US on Maps, Google
sources data from authoritative standards bodies like the United Nations,
ISO and the FIPS.
Although the first to implement the change, Google Maps is not the only
one. Apple Maps and Bing have subsequently also followed suit, with both
now displaying the Gulf of Mexico as 'Gulf of America.'

Here in UK Google shows Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America): Bing is still
Gulf of Mexico.

[Newyana2]

Post by Jim S

Post by david
Although the first to implement the change, Google Maps is not the only
one. Apple Maps and Bing have subsequently also followed suit, with both
now displaying the Gulf of Mexico as 'Gulf of America.'

Here in UK Google shows Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America): Bing is still
Gulf of Mexico.

The Googlites are shameless. They probably want Trump
to threaten the EU over EU crackdowns on Google. Does
a US president have the right to rename geography? It turns
out that Trump is exposing a lot of ambiguous areas where
the president's power is not clear. The 2025 Project people
have had several years to set up this attempt to take down
American democracy. But maybe it's for the best. We shouldn't
have such glaring ambiguities that allow for a democracy in
name only. (I'm reminded of Watergate. The takedown of Nixon
was not a foregone conclusion.)

[xtf]

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of
name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation.
*gulf of america*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?

I read couple days ago that Google displays as follows:
- in the USA: "Gulf of America"
- in Mexico: "Gulf of Mexico"
- everywhere else: "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)".

I assume Apple follows the pattern.

[micky]

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:56:52 -0000 (UTC), Marion

Post by Marion
Both Google Maps & Apple Maps on my iPhone & Android today show a change of
name in a certain large partly enclosed navigable coastline indentation.
*gulf of america*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19070&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19070>
Have all the Google & Apple maps around the world reflected that change?
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few
days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public
announcement.
My question here, to the world at large, is how much of the world's GNIS
systems are following suit? Is there any statement, for example, from
whatever mapping system the UK or EU use to formerly identify places?
Apparently the Ordnance Survey is the national mapping agency for Great
Britain proper, but the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) is
who advises the UK government on the correct form of geographical names
outside of the UK. Any status on that?
The EU is trickier to pin down, where the EU apparently relies on
individual member states for internal names, although I can find references
to the Infrastructure for Spatial Information in Europe (INSPIRE) which
seems to be who promotes standardization and harmonization of geographic
place names through individual initiatives.
Anyone across the pond have a status on what's changing or not for you?

In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.

[Java Jive]

Post by micky
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.

That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life - as US citizens are fond
of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain
- what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball of
an idiot?

[Abandoned Trolley]

Post by Java Jive

Post by micky
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.

That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life  -  as US citizens are fond
of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain -
  what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball of
an idiot?

Call me a cynical old git if you like, but I suspect that this problem
might go away just as soon as the Democrats realise that the American
electorate dont like women or blacks (or maybe I mean Blacks ?)

[Java Jive]

Post by Abandoned Trolley

Post by Java Jive

Post by micky
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.

That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life  -  as US citizens are
fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly
uncertain -    what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic
wrecking ball of an idiot?

Call me a cynical old git if you like, but I suspect that this problem
might go away just as soon as the Democrats realise that the American
electorate dont like women or blacks (or maybe I mean Blacks ?)

Substitute "social media influencers" for "American electorate" and I
think you'd be nearer the truth.

Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump, though that's a very low standard to have to beat,
and nearly all the polls had her leading by small margins right up to
the vote, but Trump won *easily*. Why? A sizeable chunk of the
electorate now don't watch main-stream media at all, and also tend not
to be sampled by standard polling methods, and thus didn't contribute to
the picture in the run up to the election, but of course their actual
votes still count just the same as everyone else's.

They get all their so-called 'news' from social media influencers like
Musk and Josh Rogan (if I recall his name correctly) who have never had
any journalistic training, see no need to be impartial, etc - on the
contrary, the more extreme the views voiced on their channels, the more
controversy they whip up, the more the algorithms suggest their channels
to punters, so the better their ratings. Hence they regularly
regurgitate Russian propaganda, while Musk openly biased the Twitter
algorithm towards Trump, and Josh Rogan wouldn't agree to travel to
interview Kamala Harris - he wanted her to come to him, which to
someone of my generation seems like the tail trying to wag the dog, but
we all know the result.

What I think that result proves - as did 2016 where Trump had senior
people from the three main social media companies working out of his
campaign HQ and won, and 2020 where social media largely ditched him and
he lost - that you can't win a modern election with out winning the
social media campaign. However bigoted, unreasonable, and self-serving
they are, you have to engage with these narcissists on their own ground
and at very least appear reasonable and competent, hopefully also
thereby showing them up starkly by contrast for their lack of such
leadership qualities.

[Abandoned Trolley]

Post by Java Jive
They get all their so-called 'news' from social media influencers like
Musk and Josh Rogan (if I recall his name correctly) who have never had
any journalistic training, see no need to be impartial, etc  -  on the
contrary, the more extreme the views voiced on their channels, the more
controversy they whip up, the more the algorithms suggest their channels
to punters, so the better their ratings.  Hence they regularly
regurgitate Russian propaganda, while Musk openly biased the Twitter
algorithm towards Trump, and Josh Rogan wouldn't agree to travel to
interview Kamala Harris  -  he wanted her to come to him, which to
someone of my generation seems like the tail trying to wag the dog, but
we all know the result.

I would suggest that some "professional" media outlets on this side of
the pond also have no need to be impartial - I will leave you to fill in
the blanks.

Out in the real world, a lack of journalistic training doesn't
disqualify you from anything, in the same way that politicians need no
qualifications.

[Your Name]

Post by Java Jive

Post by Abandoned Trolley

Post by Java Jive

Post by micky
In 4 years or when the idiot dies, whichever comes first, we in the US
can rid of all this nonsense.

That's what the rest of the world hoped in 2020, but your voting
population was stupid enough to vote him in twice, so, even if the US
Constitution turns out to be strong enough to thwart his attempts to
Putinise it and make himself POTUS for life  -  as US citizens are fond
of maintaining but seen from the outside seems frighteningly uncertain
-    what's to stop them voting in another narcissistic wrecking ball
of an idiot?

Call me a cynical old git if you like, but I suspect that this problem
might go away just as soon as the Democrats realise that the American
electorate dont like women or blacks (or maybe I mean Blacks ?)

Substitute "social media influencers" for "American electorate" and I
think you'd be nearer the truth.
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump, though that's a very low standard to have to beat,

<snip>

A pile of decades old dog poo would have been way better than Trump the
Chump ... oh, wait, Trump the Chump *is* a decades old pile of dog
poo!! :-p

[Andy Burns]

Post by Java Jive
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump

A good candidate would have been able to explain why she would be better
than Biden, and wouldn't have just laughed at everything and sucked-up
to pop stars and celebrities.

[Java Jive]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Java Jive
Kamala Harris seemed a pretty good candidate to me, at any rate way
better than Trump

A good candidate would have been able to explain why she would be better
than Biden, and wouldn't have just laughed at everything and sucked-up
to pop stars and celebrities.

She wasn't running against Biden, she was running against Trump, and
sucking-up to pop stars and celebrities is part of what you have to do
in US elections. Unfortunately, she didn't choose to suck up to social
media celebrities, which probably explains why she lost.

[JMB99]

as US citizens are fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems
frighteningly uncertain -  what's to stop them voting in another
narcissistic wrecking ball of an idiot?

Isn't Trump lining up his son for the next election?

[Bob Eager]

Post by JMB99

as US citizens are fond of maintaining but seen from the outside seems
frighteningly uncertain -  what's to stop them voting in another
narcissistic wrecking ball of an idiot?

Isn't Trump lining up his son for the next election?

I think that's further down the line, as part of his dynasty plan.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by Marion
All I can tell so far by looking it up after seeing it described for a few
days on the Apple newsgroups, is that the Geographic Names Information
System (GNIS) occurred sometime around late January 2025 following a
certain executive order and concomitant Department of Interior public
announcement.

I expected the gulf to be renamed the "Gulf of North America". I
suspect most of South American would not appreciate suddenly becoming
part of a US dominated "Greater American Co-Prosperity Sphere".
Forgotten history does tend to be repetitive:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere>